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D. Rick Van Schoik, Southwest Center for Environmental Research and Policy

SoCal environmental scientist answers our questions


17 Feb 2004
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Rick van Schoik
question What environmental organization are you affiliated with? What does it do?

answer The Southwest Center for Environmental Research and Policy (SCERP) is a consortium of universities on both sides of the U.S.-Mexican border that cares about the environment, ecology, and people of that region.

question What's your job title?

answer I am the managing director.

question What do you really do, on a day-to-day basis?

answer Our staff tries to translate complex technical information for use by individual people, communities, resource managers, policy-makers, and governments so they can make the best decisions. For example, not all environmental hazards can be seen, so we want people to know how they can avoid poisons they can't perceive, and we want government and industry to limit the amount of harmful materials in the environment.

question How many emails are currently in your inbox?

answer I get about 100 a day and answer all of them as soon as I can so none are unopened in my inbox.

question With whom do you interact regularly as part of your job? What types of people? What other organizations or government agencies?

answer We work with international commissions, state and local agencies, tribal nations, schools, advocates, and communities. We work with everyone. We have to in order to be effective.

question Who's the biggest pain in the ass you have to deal with?

answer Those who cannot recognize the regional, indeed global, nature of environmental problems are exasperating. By investing in quality of life and a clean environment in Mexico, we are helping ourselves. But some people can't understand the way pollution crosses borders all by itself. It's called the "Right Sharing of Resources."

question Who's nicer than you would expect?

answer The new Schwarzenegger administration has some extraordinarily nice people working in it.

question Where were you born? Where do you live now?

answer I was born in Ohio but live in San Diego now.

question What was your environmental coming-of-age moment?

answer I was raised in the countryside, read a lot about animal behavior, and was inspired early in my career by people who had worked so hard for most of their lives for something they really believed needed protecting.

question What has been the worst moment in your professional life to date?

answer Can't think of any bad ones.

question What's on your desk right now?

answer I work in piles, so right now my two desks have the six or seven piles I'm doing now -- transboundary ecosystems conservation, environmental health indicators, an assessment of the NAFTA environmental record after 10 years, a summary of our work with tribal nations, environmental education, environmental ethics, and some modeling software.

question What environmental offense has pissed you off the most?

answer Our world's socio-economic politics are dictated primarily by where we get energy (mostly somewhere else), how we use it (not very wisely or well), and where the waste goes (into the air and water), so the biggest exasperation is sharing the road with the extraordinarily wasteful, large vehicles that are exempted from efficient fuel standards.

question Who is your environmental hero?

answer Edward O. Wilson at Harvard for his brilliant intellectual advocacy on behalf of biodiversity, which represents more than 3 billion years' worth of biological experimentation that, once it goes away, can never come back.

question Who is your No. 1 environmental villain?

answer I've seen so many people who really believe they are doing the right thing but have a flawed view of the world, so the only real villain is anyone who stands in the way of enlightenment, education, and an expanding worldview.

question What's your environmental vice?

answer I used to smoke cigars and still eat meat.

question How do you get around?

answer I run, have a bike, two horses, and four cars. It's worse than a vice -- it's an addiction we Southern Californians can't seem to solve fast enough. Next year I will be relieved that I can get to work by train.

question What are you reading these days?

answer This week, Lester Brown's Plan B.

question What's your favorite meal?

answer Red wine (local), usually Mexican cheese, fresh bread, and fruit of the season.

question Are you a news junkie? Where do you get your news?

answer It's sad that so much media feeds upon itself. I read The New York Times but hear the same stories on NPR. Utne, World Press Review, The Economist, and Orion have new perspectives.

question Which stereotype about environmentalists most fits you?

answer With so much nature disappearing in our suburban environments, even if replaced by parks, golf courses, and other human-friendly open space, I hunger more and more for truly wild places -- the farther away the better.

question What's your favorite place or ecosystem?

answer I spend most of my time in the water -- doesn't matter what kind.

question If you could institute by fiat one environmental reform, what would it be?

answer I have seen, especially recently, a re-polarization of the environment vs. economy debate. It seems all of us are so intent upon being right we've lost track of why we're arguing. I wish I could have an honest discussion with someone from the other side about human quality of life.

question When was the last time you wore tie-dye? How about fleece?

answer I have a tie-dyed T-shirt my daughter made me 20 years ago that I still jog in, and I wear fleece skiing.

question Do you compost?

answer Yes, and the roses show it.

question Which presidential candidate are you backing in 2004?

answer Moseley Braun had the best things to say about the environment, but now it's Dean. Some Green Party candidates have a holistic view that's admirable.

question Would you label yourself an environmentalist?

answer I have been an environmental scientist for more than 20 years, and somehow adding "scientist" gives me and what I say credibility with those willing to listen. But there is a growing contingent that as soon as the first word, "environmental," appears, becomes entrenched in their belief that somehow they are going to lose something and rebel at almost every point I make.

question What's one thing the environmental movement is doing badly?

answer We have not groomed and promoted enough messengers to become the heroes that Jacques Cousteau and others once were. It was almost a lifetime ago that the environment had a real spokesperson.

question What's one issue about which you disagree with other environmentalists?

answer I do believe population is the key, seminal issue and that to work for population control means working for economic development, which means working to educate women -- not really a disagreement as much as a clarification that to work for world peace means working for justice.

question What could the environmental movement be doing better or differently to attract new people?

answer Aha, the critical issue. Until we can recruit women, people of color, foreigners, and ethnic minorities, we're lost. My classes have so few of them that I sense we have missed attracting them at an earlier age. Perhaps the best opportunity is real and challenging field trips for students in the upper elementary school grades so that those kids can be awed by the wonders of nature as well.

question What was your favorite band when you were 18? How about now?

answer Jethro Tull then, and Dave Matthews now, but I have always listened to a lot of Beethoven.

question What's your favorite TV show?

answer The Simpsons, of course.

question If you could have every InterActivist reader do one thing, what would it be?

answer I like the idea of taking a hike and writing a letter to the president when you get back. The purpose and clarity of what you write will be unchallengeable.

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